Logitech Signature M650: A quiet wireless mouse for big, small, or left hands
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WTF??? it's too small for normal hands to work for longer times, and side buttons are still on a wrong side !!!
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I'd just be happy if I could find a reasonably priced middle-of-the-road wired mouse. These days wired mice seem to be either cheap crap or ridiculously expensive pro gamer mice. It's much harder to find just a basic but well built mouse for desktop use - just the usual 2 buttons and scroll wheel / middle button - than it is to find the equivalent wireless mouse.
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I'm glad to see they have a Left handed mouse. I'm a long time customer, Left handed, and currently have two Logitechs ambidextrous models, a portable M325 and full size M510 (? 500 series). Both use the USB dongle and have worked great. I don't doubt the estimated battery life, they really do last "years" on a single battery.
However, I think there's a problem brewing over their dongles. Unifying vs Bolt vs Bluetooth (BLE). I think there's a third dongle too. The color of the flag tells you which you have. Red, Orange, Yellow. In our office they took all the red ones away.
It is becoming quite confusing. I'm in the market for a Small keyboard to use on my lab bench, and need to connect to my Pi and iPad. Small, multi-device, and wireless so I can get it out of the way when not in use. My Pi has Bluetooth, but is that BLE?
Logitech has keyboards that use Unifying only, mice as well, some are Bolt, some are BLE. Some can do Bolt and BLE, some only BLE (although.. isn't BLE and Bolt the same-ish thing?!) Two dongles? One? The messaging is semi clear: Unifying is not compatible with Bolt. "We" know that Unifying has been hacked and Bolt replaces that gaffe.
I tried a bluetooth mouse years ago hoping to leave the dongle. But the response time was horrible. Even Logitech's own website shows that Bolt is faster than BLE. They Mini MX keyboard doesn't have Bolt (included) but the Mini Mx for Business does. They seem to be suggesting Bolt is for businesses only (because of FIPS) - yet Bolt also offers faster response time.
However, I think there's a problem brewing over their dongles. Unifying vs Bolt vs Bluetooth (BLE). I think there's a third dongle too. The color of the flag tells you which you have. Red, Orange, Yellow. In our office they took all the red ones away.
It is becoming quite confusing. I'm in the market for a Small keyboard to use on my lab bench, and need to connect to my Pi and iPad. Small, multi-device, and wireless so I can get it out of the way when not in use. My Pi has Bluetooth, but is that BLE?
Logitech has keyboards that use Unifying only, mice as well, some are Bolt, some are BLE. Some can do Bolt and BLE, some only BLE (although.. isn't BLE and Bolt the same-ish thing?!) Two dongles? One? The messaging is semi clear: Unifying is not compatible with Bolt. "We" know that Unifying has been hacked and Bolt replaces that gaffe.
I tried a bluetooth mouse years ago hoping to leave the dongle. But the response time was horrible. Even Logitech's own website shows that Bolt is faster than BLE. They Mini MX keyboard doesn't have Bolt (included) but the Mini Mx for Business does. They seem to be suggesting Bolt is for businesses only (because of FIPS) - yet Bolt also offers faster response time.
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Good luck with getting timely driver updates from Logitech (if you get one at all), for every time Apple upgrades its OS and breaks the functionality of your mouse. If you buy one of these, look into using a third-party driver that actually has quality support.
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Update: So I went out and picked up an M650, and it's awesome. Single battery so it's a little lighter than the M510. It feels a little "taller," but not by much. Fits my hand just as well as the M510. I'd call this a win.
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Or maybe don't use shitty OS's like MacOSX that constantly break your hardware.
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Huh. I wasn't even aware such a thing existed. Found an "Everything Metric" addon for both Chrome and FF (same dev). Could be useful. Thanks!
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donovan1983
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I just picked up one of these in the left-handed version, which is only available in gray and in the large size, as an alternative to my Ergo M575 trackball for when my arthritis and/or carpal tunnel syndrome are really acting up in my right hand. I'd prefer a left-handed version of the M575 but the closest thing is a thumb trackball made by Elecom that gets mixed reviews and doesn't have nearly the tilt of the M575. It's been years since I've used a mouse for an extended amount of time and I know I'll have to get used to it again.
I've only had it for about a couple hours and for the most part it seems fine. I have what Logitech considers "medium" hands (about 7", so barely even medium) yet the M650 L fits me quite well and I suspect it may actually be a little too small for some people with larger hands. The buttons are all very quiet, with the left and right buttons virtually silent. I like that the left and right buttons require little effort to click. The scroll wheel feels way nicer than the cheap-feeling one on the M575 and middle-clicking feels solid. So far it seems to track well on my cheap IKEA desk though I will probably get a mouse pad at some point.
One really huge annoyance that I found immediately is that the primary buttons are not mirrored from a right-handed mouse, as I expected. That means that I have to switch the primary mouse buttons when I switch between the M575 and the M650. It's really baffling that Logitech went through the effort to make a left-handed mouse and yet didn't bother to switch the primary buttons so they work as expected without changing OS settings.
I've only had it for about a couple hours and for the most part it seems fine. I have what Logitech considers "medium" hands (about 7", so barely even medium) yet the M650 L fits me quite well and I suspect it may actually be a little too small for some people with larger hands. The buttons are all very quiet, with the left and right buttons virtually silent. I like that the left and right buttons require little effort to click. The scroll wheel feels way nicer than the cheap-feeling one on the M575 and middle-clicking feels solid. So far it seems to track well on my cheap IKEA desk though I will probably get a mouse pad at some point.
One really huge annoyance that I found immediately is that the primary buttons are not mirrored from a right-handed mouse, as I expected. That means that I have to switch the primary mouse buttons when I switch between the M575 and the M650. It's really baffling that Logitech went through the effort to make a left-handed mouse and yet didn't bother to switch the primary buttons so they work as expected without changing OS settings.
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Using mine right now. When they say "small hands," they
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like it, but it's only one size up from a travel mouse and I sincerely doubt anyone with hands in the "medium" range (I'm on the border between Small and Medium) will find it large enough. It fits entirely within the footprint of the Roccat Kain it replaced and is 20mm shorter.
I hotswapped it in to Ubuntu and it just started working. Why would one use a driver for a mouse?
I hotswapped it in to Ubuntu and it just started working. Why would one use a driver for a mouse?
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I just opened and connected mine, and the mouse works the way I expected. I have my OS setting set to swap the left and right buttons of my mouse. I assume yours is designed to handle situations where the OS can't be set for left-handed mouse usage? Maybe that approach isn't typical anymore.
On another topic, I was trying to tell my wife that the mouse was by Logi and I wasn't sure: Is the "g" in "Logi" pronounced like the "g" in "gif"?
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I use the SteelSeries driver/tools to turn off the buttons on the left of the mouse, and to reverse the left/right buttons on the mouse , so that Windows (and games) don't have to know about it.
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Inches and ounces... You know Logitech is a global company that has headquarters in EMEA (founded in Switzerland) and the Asia/Pacific region, not just the USA, and Ars Technica also has a vibrant global readership for which you could make reading less painful? ;-)
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Hi
Please use international measurements by default: mm rather than local measurements only used by a few countries (inches)
also, when quoting measurements, please state what the number refers to - the length, the height or the width!
thanks!
Please use international measurements by default: mm rather than local measurements only used by a few countries (inches)
also, when quoting measurements, please state what the number refers to - the length, the height or the width!
thanks!
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No. This is an American website, with mostly American readers. Get a browser extension to add the conversions if you need them.
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The M650L is poorly designed and totally not suitable for big hand. Yes the mouse is indeed longer, but the width remains the same as M650 so it is not comfortable in big hand. The mouse shouldn't have slimmed so much in the middle. I have been searching for big wireless mouse and I am so disappointed to find out this is not for big hand. I just threw it aside after 1-2 hours use, my fingers especially 4th and 5th are tired holding a slim mouse.
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